My Treatment A Hollow Cause (Randyjw; January 27, 2017)
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Things have, at times, been a little unctious for me at a personal level in the WordPress forum, with commenters either calling me a cruel, Zionist Jew who is worse than a terrorist (https://newsnotes1.wordpress.com/2016/08/02/not-so-subtle-signs-of-anti-semitism/), or by other, more-recent commenters completely oblivious to the realization that there is not a single argument that could ever justify or minimize European complicity and responsibility for the Holocaust, especially as carried out by its German perpetrators and collaborators, among them Hitler, Goebbels, Mengele, Eichmann and others.
I personally have known at least four Jewish men who were Holocaust survivors, as well as one POW who was captured and placed in a concentration camp, because he was Jewish, in addition to having met many more survivors, as well as very briefly having worked for the son of Holocaust survivors (both of his parents had been at camps).
My written conversations, thus far, with the WordPress respondents did not bring enlightenment, or a change in attitude, or an understanding whereby they might exhibit empathy in compassion toward Jewish victims (this is a trait often lacking amongst such individuals, I have found). One conversation has only just begun.
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In this first section, we have Amogh, who declares that he is a fan of Adolf Hitler. He uses one of Hitler’s sayings as the first quote in his response to a Three-Day-Quote-Challenge. The second quote he uses is by Gul Barsha. The third quote is his own, which is: “People would live by my Rule, or they would die…”. Amogh assigns a non-existent royalty peerage on Adolf Hitler with the usage of the titular, “Sir”, although I doubt that the United Kingdom would have bequeathed him peerage in any acceptable form. The disturbing part is that 157 people like these quotes.
I was upset with one of the respondents, Kamal, who I had been familiar with from having seen him at other websites. He absolves Hitler of personal accountability in his actions by stating that Hitler had been made a medium and so could not be blamed for his persecution, at all. Christian ideology has embraced its Jewish wellspring and has begun to move away from replacement theory, whereby the Jewish element is blamed no longer, nor is Christianity being said to have either displaced or replaced it, nor should it be involved in eliminating it.
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So, let me make you aware, Kamal: Hitler’s manifesto, ‘The Final Solution’ for Jews, and those others perceived as inferior races by him, is outlined in Mein Kampf. It was a deliberate plan to exterminate the entire Jewish people in a genocide. The disabled, Gypsys, political dissidents, some Christians, were also killed.
I know your blog has only nice posts on it, so it’s a throwback to see such a statement from you; but, I cannot say this behavior surprises me; not with regards to yourself, specifically, as an individual, but rather as a whole, in the generic realm of this type of behavior. And the reason I address you, individually, is that there might be a sense of my getting through to you — whereas, with the others and their hardcore responses, I don’t think they would hear my message.
I only came to know that you had posted your statement there at Amogh’s site, because Amogh began following my site with a “like” of my post, “Anti-Matter”. What he said at his site, and your subsequent replies to his statement, were a shock to me. When I saw you responding at another site I was online with, I took the convenient opportunity there (which I shortly thereafter conceded was the wrong forum at which to address you) to let you know that I had been upset by your comment in the addressment of this issue and to suggest further discussion here, at my site. You have since began following my blog, but I have heard nothing further from you — only your initial and continued repeated denials about any such thing as seeming to have occurred, at all. So, I guess I’ll show you.
Here is where the offensive commentary was found, and your reply, to the man who says he is a “fan” of Hitler:
(https://amoghjoshi1438.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/3-days-3-quotes-challenge-day-1/)
Amogh quoted Hitler and said he was a fan of Hitler. There was some back and forth in the comment section between you and he on October 16, 2016. Your last reply, referencing Hitler, was this:
“But you know he was made a medium to destroy the old for new that is why he destroyed the old and so he is not to be blamed. This is the way life is.”
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Amogh likes my post, Anti-Matter, and starts following me:
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I choose “Quote Challenge Day 3” as part of the initial selections on offer. It takes me to the posting, where I read the quotes on Hitler, and corresponding commentary, including learning that my follower is a fan of Hitler (gulp). I then learn that assorted readers have responded with positive commentary to the Hitler quote, as well, drawing my consternation.
At the offending site…
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Commentary from Amogh’s site. Pictures, links and non-English responses deleted to remove visual identification and links and to broaden commentary toward a wider audience.
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Someone says (October 16, 2016 at 11:19 am): good ones
Amogh responds (October 16, 2016 at 11:20 am) 😁 😁
Kamal (boundlessblessingsblog (dot) wordpress (dot)(com) writes (October 16, 2016 at 2:44 pm):
Lovely each different quotes but beautiful in themselves.👌👌👌👌
Amogh responds (October 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm): What about the last quote, is it lovely too?😜😜
Kamal replies (October 16, 2016) at 3:38 pm):
K wait will give you my comments.
Amogh responds (October 16, 2016 at 3:43 pm): 😄 sure I will be waiting
Kamal then says (October 16, 2016 at 3:41 pm): Hahahaha very smart so people have to listen to u and if they don’t they will die. You have become hitler looks like.☺️😏good. Just joking Do what you like friend.
Amogh writes (October 16, 2016 at 3:47): Yeah, I’m a fan of Sir Adolf Hitler, but don’t worry I have posted the last quote bcoz I used to think like that in my 7th class.Right now I’m a very good guy
Kamal says (October 16, 2016 at 3:49 pm): Hahahaha too good but now you have matured and become a nice man. Good show Amogh.👍👍👍👍
Amogh replies (October 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm): Tnq 😄😄kamal
Kamal writes (October 16, 2016 at 3:51 pm): Always welcome Amogh.
Kamal writes (October 16, 2016 at 3:50 pm): But you know he was made a medium to destroy the old for new that is why he destroyed the old and so he is not to be blamed. This is the way life is.
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A commenter says (October 16, 2016 at 11:19 am):
Good ones.
Another respondent says (November 8, 2016 at 2:12 am): Nice
A different one says (November 20, 2016 at 3:05 pm): Good.a great thing.
Another commenter says (December 9, 2016 at 12:47 pm): Lovely quotes.
And a lone voice of a soldier of the Spanish Legion, who has seen war up-front during his period of service, comes the knowing wisdom and its resultant sanity…… says (December 19, 2016 at 12:39 pm):
Who would have thought the nutcase of Hitler would have such an insight. Yet again, being a monster doesn´t mean he was dumb.
This person says (December 24, 2016 at 4:32 pm):
Great post
Amazing
Visit mine
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Jewish people are targets in cyberspace, as well as in real life. It’s amazing that if the death threats we receive all the time online were to be said in-person to our faces, the threatener would be arrested for their actions. Unfortunately, virtual reality is anti-Semitic, too, and technology companies who host internet platforms are usually an easy vehicle for neo-Nazi and Jihadist threats to reach us.
We also receive alot of the garden variety type of threats, like those seen above. However, just as it is difficult to predict a lone-wolf terrorist attack, one can never know whether these suppressed hostilities will manifest and at what time.
Jewish groups have for years been trying to get companies such as Facebook to comply with their own guideline agreements. Most of these encompass rules of civility toward one another. Most companies allow themselves the flexibility to remove accounts from their system for specific violations of codes of conduct, or for even no reason at all. WordPress also has this provision in its terms of service.
As like all other tech responses to the Jews, there has been an outright moratorium on matters of decorum to remove terrorist threats promoting the annihilation of the Jews, or other anti-Semitic tropes. Anti-Semitic attacks have been increasing with alarming rates of occurences. And WordPress will also not remove the offensive portions of the above dialogues found at those sites which I find objectionable. That is the word used to determine whether WordPress might remove some material. Two times I received a “no”. They didn’t answer my third request. Guess it just wasn’t “the charm”. Thanks, guys… You sure know how to make a Jewish girl feel swell on this Shabbat day, as well as simultaneously occuring on this International Holocaust Remembrance Day today, Friday, January 27, 2017.
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PG, abbreviated from an avatar name, and the person who PG claims is PG’s dentist, both seem not to know that anti-Semitic acts include more than just killing Jews. PG wrote an emotionally terse piece of fiction for an alleged school project, for which the assignment topic, as PG puts it, is: “Caught in a Dilemma”. PG’s resultant work, posted at PG’s website, is an extremely well-written and involving piece, set in the time period of the Nazi era (1930’s-1940’s). The protagonist is a German male, who has spent his remembered life growing from friendship to relationship with a Jewish woman. They’ve known each other from the age of four years until the most recent present, when the woman’s family was to have received help to Switzerland and out of danger from the Nazis by the man who was to become the protagonist’s Nazi boss. The main character only joined the Nazi group as service to repay the commander for presumed assistance in helping his girlfriend and her family to escape. As a Nazi, the protagonist is required to kill many Jews, which he does. During the course of Nazi round-ups of the Jews to deport them to concentration camps, both he and his commander come across his love, as the commander had never provided her any help. The commander now tells the man to kill her. The story ends prior to any action, beyond that point.
The story was gripping, with its use of German language and its gratuitous violence sprinkled throughout its passages. As a Jewish person, I felt dread and anxiety at reading this story. This would have been just an overwrought story to forget shortly thereafter, were it not for its excessive violence and the ensuing dialogue issued in later commentary by the author, and then, also, by the author’s “friend” (or dentist, or the author’s own self, or whomever).
PG claims that the protagonist is not like the other Nazis, per se, because he tries to save the Jewish woman he loves, in service with the Nazis to a promise made him by his commander, which is never kept. PG seems to emphatically state that because of this act, he is not like the other Nazis. I say, though, that he is, INDEED, just like the other Nazis, because, despite the fact that he may “love” one Jewish person, he still commits murder after murder of all the other Jews which he, and the rest of the Nazis, are systematically rooting out and killing. My argument further contends that this is akin to the prejudice canard which states that a person can’t supposedly be prejudiced against the whole of a class of people, if they also happen to be the best friend/boyfriend/spouse, etc. of one such person of the despised subject class. It has been proven to be a faulty argument.
Things get worse further on into my refutation on this point with PG in additional following commentary. PG then asserts that the story has very little to do with the Jewish people! The entire Final Solution by its mastermind, Adolf Hitler, was based on the promotion of the continuation of the genetic line of a supposed “Aryan” “master race” through the elimination of all undesirable others — the Jewish people being first and foremost among them! PG’s story is specifically set during a Nazi round-up and killing frenzy of Jews by those Nazis! How could it have “very little” to do with the Jewish people? That is an effrontery to the memory of the six million Jewish lives exterminated during the Holocaust. This was a methodical, planned, systematic genocide of our people, which also impacted the Jewish people in the many millions further lives which were never birthed and whose generations ended, forevermore, in the graves of the earth of the cold hatred against our people! This is not about Nazi morals; there weren’t any to be found in their murderous acts and their subsequent denials of their deeds to this day! Families, lives, properties, businesses, future generations were all destroyed. How could it be anything BUT the story of our genocide? It is true that other groups, such as the disabled, Gypsies, certain Christian or political dissidents were also made targets.
It is the genocidal aspect that sets it specifically apart from the collateral civilian damage that occurs during wartime that also makes the Holocaust unique. This delineation is an important one to keep in the forefront, as there are groups of Holocaust minimizers, especially in Europe, that have been trying to downplay the speciality of the Jewish aspect of the extermination by equating ALL World War Two deaths with the same “collateral damage” type of approach. Governments, like those in Poland, especially, have been keen to whitewash their own governments’ and countries’ participatory collaboration with the Nazis, and so they have been using this specific approach by refusing to acknowledge the targetting of the Jews, their own complicity and involvement, erasing and revising historical records, and denying culpability.
PG does this, not only by denying the “Jewishness” of the story and by claiming a moral high ground of the man who became a Nazi, where none exists, but the fact that not once is the term specific to ‘The Jewish Question’, known as “The Holocaust”, ever mentioned, and neither were “tags”, which would have indexed it to such categories, ever applied so as to include the story in any Jewish “subject”-consideration. There is not a single tag noting anything of Jewish affiliation, such as words like “Jew”, “Judaism”, “Jewish”, or “Holocaust”; yet, at least six tags have been created, all of which pertain to either the word “History” or “German/Germany”, in some aspect.
This may, at the outset, seem a trivial matter, but it is a main tool in the arsenal of historical revisionists, Holocaust deniers, and Holocaust minimizers. I cannot but help to think that this demonstrates a concerted effort to literally whitewash the Jews out of history. Like the Germans did to erase Jewish history and culture by burning our books and killing our people, so it is a continuing phenomenon to continue to make the story “Judenrein” (“Rid of Jews”/”Jew-Free”). Saying that the author’s personal opinions are not to be found within the characters of its pages, as the “dentist” states, is disengenuous, as well.
When confronted with these ongoing deeds and these past affairs, the minimizers will go on the counterattack against the victim. They will ridicule, deny, mock and belittle the hurt people, such as the victimized Jews. I also see this in PG’s reaction. PG holds me to a double-standard when PG says that I must “FIGHT for people to respect Jews and their beliefs”, as if a double-standard exists that allows other people to just be accepted “as-is”, but that, somehow, Jews are not, and so we must have to “earn” the right to exist on this planet as a Jewish person. PG accuses me of spreading hate, of bias (against whom? PG? Nazis?), and of being an extremist. Wow.
And then, in typical fashion, the victim is made to look like the attacker. PG then has to claim victimhood status by revelation of own ethnicity, and that my defense of my own identity, which I perceive as being under attack, has been somehow used against PG’s own status, which I have not done, and which is not the subject of my complaint.
And then there is the need to get further help from friends to attack the aggrieved party (strength in numbers), as if the principle made famous by Hitler’s propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, still reigned, in that: if one repeats a lie big enough and often enough (and by a majority), then it will be believed. So, they state that it is I, the Jew, who is the biased one, for explaining to them why all their statements are just the same, old, tired, classic anti-Semitic tropes. PG’s backup support, supposedly the person’s dentist (mentioned in a different place elsewhere in the blog), uses the term “we” quite often and relays events as if their selfsame person had, also, been part of this assigned project with PG at the school — and, hence, may be a “friend” (or, quite possibly, even just the author, since “they” both say “sematic”, instead of “Semitic”) (and considering the remarkable immaturity of the ensuing conversation, a possibility it could be either), and laughs and laughs and mocks my arguments.
The “friend” also says this: “(PG) is not isolating the Jews or being racist against them just cause (PG) chose this topic, if it was any other race would really have taken this offence. You are twisting (PG’s) words, like that i can say you are being racist by classifying people as black or chinese.” Both the “friend” and PG continually counterattack by making false claims. I never once claimed that their actions “isolate” Jews. I don’t even consider a concept, such as “isolation”, in my entire argument, or even as a general philosophy with regards to such discussions; it would probably be least, if any, of my complaints — so this is a false accusation of assumption on their part (and they “both” use it…).
Secondly, “…if it was any other race would really have taken this offence” is the anti-Semitic trope of applying a double-standard to Israelis or Jews that would not be expected or applied of, and to, others, and of which we are to look for in determining whether a statement or action constitutes a form of anti-Semitism, regardless whether it is a positively applied expectation of behavior, or otherwise.
Additionally, asserting that the author does not think along the same manner as the character the author has conjured within their very own imagination is disingenuous. The author has thought to place whatever thoughts are in the character’s mind by the very same brain used by the author to convey the character’s ideas. Nothing gives them life but the animation of the writer’s thoughts. The writer may not subscribe to the thoughts attributed to the character, but it is the writer who contrives them to place there. This nuance is perceptibly lost by the respondents.
Worse yet, PG claims to be studying this topic and even wants to become a therapist and specialize in Holocaust studies. Are they teaching PG these things from this particular perspective at school? PG hasn’t shown one bit of understanding or empathy toward a Jewish person complaining of the treatment via PG’s fictionalized version of the Holocaust. Can you imagine this individual working with real-life victims? (PG ironically shares Hitler’s birth date!)
This specific revelation of dialogue is utilized herewith to educate young minds vulnerable to influence and, hopefully, prevent the lead-up to genocide engendered in the falsity of pernicious beliefs and techniques, as simple as they might be perceived at a superficial level.
Yeah, nothing’s really changed much in the seventy-some years since the Holocaust.
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Here is some of the commentary from the site (identifying information removed for privacy; extraneous commentary, superfluous to the discussion, also removed):
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Someone writes (December 21, 2016 at 5:16 pm):
Atrocious and heinous!
PG responds (December 21, 2016 at 9:14 pm) Thank you… I think 🙂
They respond (December 26, 2016 at 6:54 pm): You think? :p
PG replies (December 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm):
Lol hahaha yes once in a while I do 😆😆😂😂
Someone says (December 21, 2016 at 9:17 pm):
this is so sad, what happens? (does he shoot himself?!?)
PG replies (December 21, 2016 at 9:19 pm):
Well the topic given to me was caught in a dilemma so I kind of left it at that. I guess it’s up to you to imagine what happens ☺
Same commenter says (December 21, 2016 at 9:21 pm):
In the beginning he seems as hateful of the jews as the others, but in the end it turns out he is not hateful.
So was that intentional?
PG replies (December 22, 2016 at 12:45 pm):
Yeah he was supposed to be desensitized by all he had seen but then you realize he’s not like the other Nazi’s
I say (December 26, 2016 at 6:36 am):
BS.
I say… (*The reference to the apparent “swear” I write about comes from repetition of a word PG used in the body of the piece) (December 26, 2016 at 6:39 am):
I’m sorry to disagree. You don’t have a “ficken” clue what a Jew goes through, and sensationalizing it in this manner was about the most awful thing I ever read.
PG responds (December 26, 2016 at 9:07 pm):
I don’t claim to know anything that Jews went through because I’ve never been through anything even a little similar. My topic was caught in a dilemma and that was what it was about. I’m sorry if this offended you but that was not my intention
I say (December 27, 2016 at 7:50 pm):
It did; and still does.
PG says (December 27, 2016 at 7:52 pm):
sorry
I say (December 27, 2016 at 7:56 pm):
Chanukah began Dec. 24th. The Jews commemorate the victory of the Jewish Maccabees and the rededication of eternal light in our Temple, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The world is awash in anti-Semitism and your words fuel that fire. Fourteen UN countries just voted Judea and Samaria as “illegal”; it’s not… Did you gain the accolades you wanted, at our expense?
I say (December 27, 2016 at 7:59 pm):
We died to such words!!!
I say (December 27, 2016 at 8:23 pm):
May the L-rd recompense you the rest of your days in the manner of your characters.
PG says (December 27, 2016 at 9:18 pm):
By I don’t claim to know what Jews went through I meant I obviously have no first hand experience of it. I know a lot more about the Jewish faith then you think I do. I also respect Jews and everything that they’ve been through and many of my idols are practicing Jews. Like I said I did not mean to offend you or any other Jewish people with this story and it has very little to do with Jewish people. I was given a topic by my school and I wrote a story that was FICTION. Also I don’t appreciate you blaming me for something the UN did. I am not anti-sematic in any way whatsoever. If you want to fight for people to respect Jews and their beliefs maybe comment on blogs that actually have anti-sematic posts on them.
I say (December 28, 2016 at 12:35 am):
Jews and Nazis are the clear subjects you’ve used to fulfill your topic assignment of “Caught in a Dilemma”. You whitewashed the Jewish half for the story right out of your tags, though. You use Nazi Germany, History, Nazi’s (sic), Nazism, Nazi, German History — but not a single one about Jews. You claim in your response “and it has very little to do with Jewish people.” What!? All you talk about is the Jews in your story, repeating the ugly insults of prejudice that the Germans used as a pretext to exterminate us during the Holocaust! Saying your story has nothing to do with Jews, when, in fact, your entire story is peppered with the words “Jew” and “Jewish” and leaving Jews out of the tags, whitewashes them right out of the Holocaust picture you portray. Minimize the Holocaust much? While the Germans are solely responsible for their own hatred, the objects of their hatred were not fictional. They were Jews who died because of anti-Semitic beliefs held by the Germans.
So, you make your Nazi character, (name), decide that killing other Jews, as long as they’re not “his” Jew, is okay, and yet you comment that he’s not “like the rest” of the Nazis? He’s exactly like them, whether he felt “love” for one, or not; he still participated in killing them. It’s the old “my best friend is Jewish” canard. And, lastly, I didn’t accuse you of casting any UN votes! Don’t you accuse ME of false accusations: the subject I used to demonstrate my point was “Fourteen UN countries”; I’ve never mentioned you or your name related to that!
You also reply, “If you want to fight for people to respect Jews and their beliefs maybe comment on blogs that actually have anti-sematic posts on them.”
So, my reason to exist as a person is not okay? I don’t get automatic acceptance as a person just because I was born? You mean, you really think I must “FIGHT for people to respect Jews and their beliefs”, as if a double-standard exists that allows other people to just be accepted “as-is”, but that, somehow, Jews are not, and so we must have to “earn” the right to exist on this planet as a Jewish person?
Well, let me tell you two things, dearheart. People who minimize the Holocaust and Jewish suffering, and those who require of the Jews a double-standard of their existence on earth are guilty. My ancestry is Jewish and I was born that way on earth. Do you believe that your own right to exist as you are necessitates further justification for your being? You hold me to a double-standard that you might not impose on other people. Would you feel right substituting another class of people that you think need to fight for their respect and beliefs? Chinese? Black? Do you still think it’s okay to require that of them? No? Oh, now you see what “double-standard” means. That is one aspect anti-Semites use to dehumanize and deligitimize Jews. Do you do this?
Your made-up story capitalizes on the story of the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a direct racial extermination program called “The Final Solution” perpetrated by the Germans against those they deemed genetically inferior to themselves, which included the Jews. Taking the Jew out of the story is like the Germans did to the Jews of Europe; they also denied doing so. Minimizing the six million Jews who really perished during the Holocaust by saying that your story, whose main characters are a Nazi and a Jew, has very little to do with the Jewish people, is a minimization of the victimization of the Jews during the Holocaust. That’s dis-respectful. You could have chosen other ways to illustrate a dilemma, but you chose a Jew and a Nazi.
PG says (December 28, 2016 at 11:22 am):
I did not minimalize the suffering of the Jews in any way whatsoever. It clearly shows how much pain and death they had to go through. Are you sure you’ve read the entire story?
You did indeed accuse me of things the UN did. You said “Did you gain the accolades you wanted, at our expense?” Do notice the use of the word YOU.
And do not accuse me of white washing anything. As an Indian-African do you think I don’t know what it feels like to have my ancestors mistreated for their race and beliefs? Did you know that my Indian ancestors fought during WWII to stop the Nazi’s and was the largest all-volunteer force in history (2.5 million people)? Do you have any idea what my people went through because of what white people have done to them? Do you know how many Africans and Indians were literally eaten alive by lions while building the railway and do you have any idea how many millions of Indians and Africans were killed by the colonists? That is such an insensitive and offensive thing to say to someone who you know nothing about especially when you’re accusing them of being offensive. Don’t you dare accuse me of racism or white washing anything. And the only reason I wrote about the Nazi’s is because I asked my English teacher approved that over a large number of ideas I gave him. And I came up with that idea because I love history and was learning about the Nazi era and plan to someday do my doctorate in it.
Lastly, I did not say your only worth is to defend Jews. You can give your opinion as much as you want. However you seemed very passionate about defending your race (which I can understand) and so I gave you an alternate way to do this without wrongfully accusing people.
I say (December 28, 2016 at 4:12 pm – Accidental posting to PG button, which was the wrong “reply” button and to which I should have posted to “the dentist’s” response. Duplicate post here deleted. See second post of same message, under “the dentist’s” reply on December 28, 2016 at 4:15 pm): “Are you the writer?…”
I say (December 28, 2016 at 4:41 pm):
I did not say you voted at the UN! The UN reference is an illustration to support the sentence preceding it — that the world is becoming anti-Semitic. It is You who is twisting MY words. The “accolades at our expense” reference means this: you DO state this is just an assignment for a class. So, why didn’t it stay there? Your re-publication of it here, in an outside, public forum shows that you’re seeking further recognition beyond the scope of completing your initial assignment. End of assignment; end of story, right? No, apparently not. You want further eyes on your work. And, yes, it comes on the backs of Jewish suffering. So, have you gained further accolades (Yes; you’re seeking new avenues and means to promote it) and at our expense (solely a story of fiction for you; a Holocaust of real death and destruction to us, the Jews) — the question fits! You left your tags “Judenrein” and whitewashed them out of your story, while choosing seven (six -ed.) tags pertaining to History or Germans. Did you know that part of the Nazi stratagem to rid Europe of Jews entailed burning Jewish books, in order to erase Jewish culture and history? It doesn’t seem that you know the true scope of the type of actions which are anti-Semitic.
PG “friend”, “the dentist”, says (December 28, 2016 at 3:31 pm):
It amazes me how worked up someone can get over a harmless imaginary story written for an English coursework! Did you even read the story? It was bringing out the idiocracy of racism; as long as you don’t know that person its okay to harm them but once you get to know that person and see them for whom they are and not their religion or skin colour, you truly realize how all that hardly matters. Which is how he fell in love with the girl, it had nothing to do with their religion. And what’s your problem with the story? That the guy found it easy to kill others and not the girl? Yh thats the character flaw, its entirely written from the point of view of a brain washed Nazi turned guy so ofcourse you can’t portray the suffering from his eyes, which by the way the writer has, which is incredible.
All I see you doing is twisting (PG’s) words and (PG’s) story into your biased interpretation and relating things that the story has nothing to do about. And get this: what the characters say and think have nothing to do with (PG’s) personal opinion, ofcourse (PG) has to think like a nazi to write his character, (PG) can’t put in a sympathetic nazi. So stop targeting (PG’s) personal opinions with “May the L-rd recompense you the rest of your days in the manner of your characters.”
Let me say this again, (PG’s) personal opinions are different from the nazi guy.
(PG’s) words don’t “fuel the fire”, this story doesn’t make you go against Jews, it in facts brings out how ridiculous it is to be racist against them.
Also it’s (PG’s) story and (PG) can write it on whoever (PG) wants to whatever (PG) wants. And this just makes me laugh, are you seriously commenting on how (PG) didn’t tag the word “jews”? Really? Yh that is super racist, total nazi behaviour. You honestly think (PG) didn’t tag it cause (PG’s) racist against Jews?
When (PG) said it has very little to do with Jewish people, (PG) meant its more about the guys thoughts and feelings and opinion and life. And sorry for “minimising” the holocaust, there was a word limit, remember it’s a high school English course work, not a novel. And yes he was “not like the rest” because (if you read the story) in the beginning he was not against the Jews, he gave up his morals and become brainwashed so that he could save that one family.
Stop twisting (PG’s) words! How did you get “my reason to exist as a person is not okay?” From “If you want to fight for people to respect Jews and their beliefs maybe comment on blogs that actually have anti-sematic posts on them.” Everyone is fighting their wars okay, for their rights, so instead of lashing out on a harmless story, maybe you should lash out at people that actually believe in racism and not a writer.
Ha! Really which other people are getting accepted, this is news to me. Even freaking one half of the population is not accepted as equals. We are all fighting to be accepted, its not just you. Why are you fighting with (PG)? (PG) accepts Jews, (PG’s) idols are Jews, (PG) meant fight with people who don’t i.e on ant-sematic posts.
And finally let me repeat this one last time that this story was a school course work with a word limit, you can’t portray the whole holocaust in it, the story is a work of fiction from a nazi point of view and not (PG’s) personal opinion. (PG) is not isolating the Jews or being racist against them just cause (PG) chose this topic, if it was any other race would really have taken this offence. You are twisting (PG’s) words, like that i can say you are being racist by classifying people as black or chinese.
Hahah you are literally just stuck on that little comment of Jews had very little to do with the story, and making up your own meaning out of it. I suggest you read it with an unbiased opinion and not target (PG) and (PG’s) beliefs from a fiction story.
I say (December 28, 2017 at 4:15 pm): Are you the writer? The story is about the Holocaust, which was a targetted genocide committed by Germans against Jews. Therefore, saying that Jews have very little to do with the story is false, and a lie. That is a minimization of the Holocaust. Second, the guy was a Nazi. He was a monster killing Jews. That’s what the writer wrote. It doesn’t matter that he “loved” one Jew — He killed Jews! The writer twists the meanings: the man was NO DIFFERENT; Jews died at his hands. Having feelings for one doesn’t change the outcome of his actions, does it? He still killed Jews. No, dearhearts: it is the writer, and people like yourself, trying to justify the actions of Nazis by eliciting sympathy for them which twists the facts of the Holocaust. And, yes; leaving the tags “Judenrein” speaks truth to what this fiction is all about. No, this minimizes the Holocaust, and you both (actually, just “dentist” -ed.) laugh with your “ha-ha’s” and show no compassion toward the Jewish victims. Both of you don’t know what anti-Semitism means, for it is actions such as these that are a part of it.
(PG’s) “friend”, “the dentist”, says (December 28, 2016 at 4:57 pm):
Loving a jew is not changing the out come of his actions, that isn’t implied anywhere and we are not justifying actions of the Nazi, you think all those men who became Nazis were born haters? They were made into monsters, they were humans before and had feelings before they switched off which is portrayed in the story. And yes everyone has feelings, that does not mean they were not bad people or that I sympathise with them. And how can you accuse us of having no compassion towards the Jewish victims, do you even know us? Have you talked to us? We have had countless conversations on the holocaust and we don’t need to justify ourselves to you.
As for our ‘ha ha’ we are not laughing at the Jews or the holocaust, you are manipulating the meaning again. My “ha ha” shows my surprise at how you can relate things out of no where.
PG says (December 28, 2016 at 5:41 pm):
I am done talking to you. You are obviously an extremist and I as an open minded individual have no room for your spiteful words. I understand that you are attempting to defend your race and religion but the only thing you seem to be doing right now is hurting someone who has the upmost respect for Jewish people and their beliefs. Yes I did want to share my work with more people (it’s called freedom read up on it) because I worked very hard on it. I did not use the tags Jews/Jewish because I genuinely didn’t think anyone would care this much. I do not say any of the above because I have a problem with Jews but because it is YOU I disagree with. Maybe you should go argue with Markus Zusak for a while because it’s his story which inspired me. If you don’t like my work don’t read it. I don’t see why you have to spread your hate in MY comments section. No one else seems to have a problem with my work.
I say (December 28, 2016 at 6:09 pm):
The one spreading the hate is you. I’m defending the further victimization of Jews against such diatribes and actions as this.
Additional Reading:
Speyer, Lea. “Covert Campus Watchdog Discovers University of Houston Students Praising Hitler, Expressing Desire to Hurt Jews on Social Media”. The Algemeiner.com; January 26, 2017:
https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/01/26/houston-we-have-antisemitism-problem-canary-mission-uncovers-ring-students-university-of-houston-desiring-hurt-harass-jews-online/)
Speyer, Lea. “‘Stuff Jews in the Oven’ Among Antisemitic Social Media Posts Flooding Pages of University of Texas-Arlington Students, Covert Campus Watchdog Finds”. The Algemeiner.com; February 15, 2017:
(https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/02/15/covert-campus-watchdog-stuff-jews-in-the-oven-type-of-social-media-post-flooding-pages-of-former-current-u-of-texas-arlington-students/)
McMahon, Julie. “CNY students upset after being asked to defend Nazis, Holocaust for homework”. Advance Media New York / Syracuse.com; March 30, 2017:
(http://www.syracuse.com/schools/index.ssf/2017/03/oswego_county_boces_homework_assignment_asks_students_to_defend_the_holocaust.html)
Antisemitism Manifestations; Wikipedia.org:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Manifestations)
Randyjw. “Stolen Art, Stolen Lives”. News Notes 1; newsnotes1.wordpress.com, November 14, 2016:
(https://newsnotes1.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/stolen-art-stolen-lives/)
Randyjw. “The Bias of Unions”. News Notes 1; newsnotes1.wordpress.com, August 3, 2016:
(https://newsnotes1.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/the-bias-of-unions/)
Randyjw. “So Sick of Red Cross Anti-Semitism”. News Notes 1; newsnotes1.wordpress.com, May 22, 2012:
(https://newsnotes1.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/so-sick-of-red-cross-anti-semitism/)
Blum, Ruthie. “Israeli Justice Minister: Efforts to Remove Terrorism-Incitement From Social Media Platforms Bearing Fruit”. The Algemeiner.com; February 6, 2017:
(https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/02/06/israeli-justice-minister-at-international-cyber-conference-efforts-of-our-task-force-to-remove-terrorism-incitement-from-social-media-platforms-bearing-fruit/)
Frommer, Rachel. “‘I’m Gonna Finish What Hitler Started,’ ‘That Jew Better Run’ Among Social Media Comments by Cleveland Students Revealed by Covert Watchdog”. The Algemeiner.com; April 9, 2017:
(https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/09/im-gonna-finish-what-hitler-started-that-jew-better-run-among-social-media-comments-by-cleveland-state-university-students-revealed-by-covert-watchdog/)
Frommer, Rachel. “‘We Were Ambushed,’ Say Claremont Colleges’ Jewish Students After Senate Passes Sudden Pro-BDS Motion on Passover, Easter Sunday”. The Algemeiner.com; April 19, 2017:
(https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/19/we-were-ambushed-say-claremont-colleges-jewish-students-after-senate-passes-sudden-pro-bds-motion-on-passover-easter-sunday/)
Updates –
January 28, 2017: Corrected some typos; Added January 26, 2017 article by Lea Speyer at The Algemeiner.com: “Covert Campus Watchdog Discovers University of Houston Students Praising Hitler, Expressing Desire to Hurt Jews on Social Media”.
February 8, 2017: Added February 6, 2017 article by Ruthie Blum at The Algemeiner.com: “Israeli Justice Minister: Efforts to Remove Terrorism-Incitement From Social Media Platforms Bearing Fruit”.
February 15, 2017: Added titling, where absent, to resource list; re-corrected typos I thought I already previously corrected and fixed others. Added February 15, 2017 article by Lea Speyer at The Algemeiner.com: “‘Stuff Jews in the Oven’ Among Antisemitic Social Media Posts Flooding Pages of University of Texas-Arlington Students, Covert Campus Watchdog Finds”.
April 2, 2017: Added March 30, 2017 article by Julie McMahon at Syracuse.com: “McMahon, Julie. “CNY students upset after being asked to defend Nazis, Holocaust for homework”.
April 11, 2017 – Added April 9, 2017 article by Rachel Frommer of the Algemeiner.com: “‘I’m Gonna Finish What Hitler Started,’ ‘That Jew Better Run’ Among Social Media Comments by Cleveland Students Revealed by Covert Watchdog”.
April 20, 2017 – Small fixes. Added April 19, 2017 article by Rachel Frommer of the Algemeiner.com: “‘We Were Ambushed,’ Say Claremont Colleges’ Jewish Students After Senate Passes Sudden Pro-BDS Motion on Passover, Easter Sunday”.
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